Comment on article about Joint Declaration of Schism by CFN and The Remnant

Thank you.  The schismatic position of these false traditionalists has gotten so bad that it’s beyond absurd at this point.  Simply put, men who would actually write an article which describes their “Pope’s” plan to “canonize” John Paul II as “the revolution is preparing to canonize its own” simply do not believe in the Catholic Church - period.  They have equated the authoritative and solemn “canonizations” by their “Pope” and what they deem to be the Catholic Church with the work of the revolution.  On a similar note, just recently Bishop Williamson said again that the Vatican doesn’t have the same religion as he does.  So, he rejects sedevacantism because he insists on professing communion with members of a different religion. Related Article: The Joint Declaration of Schism by Catholic Family News and The Remnant on the SSPX – and its major blasphemy against the Catholic Church

The Satanic Aztec Culture

Did you know that the Aztec culture in Mexico in the 15th and 16th centuries, which the Catholic conquistadors physically overthrew – and which the appearance of Our Lady of Guadalupe spiritually crushed – was arguably the wickedest culture in human history?

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Can one attend the wedding or wedding reception of a Novus Ordo relative?

Thanks for your question.  We did address this question in more detail in Question 62 of the Questions and Answers section, so we refer the readers there.  The short answer to your question is absolutely not.  A Catholic cannot attend the wedding or the wedding reception of a heretic.  The reason is that to attend such a wedding service or the reception is to honor and celebrate the marriage of a heretic.  It is to honor and celebrate a person or people getting married in the state of mortal sin, and in a fashion which displeases God and places them on the road to hell. This issue involves the divine law: (more…)

The position of the SSPX on fasting during Lent

The canons to which you referred are from the new code.  The SSPX adheres to the new fasting rules promulgated by Antipope John Paul II in the new code of canon law (1983).  Thus, they hold that one is not bound to fast except on Good Friday and Ash Wednesday.  This is simply a by-product of their false position. Many traditionalists don’t know that every day in Lent (except for Sundays) is an obligatory day of fast because they’ve been instructed by non-sedevacantist, independent “traditionalist” priests (such as the priests of the SSPX, etc.) who accept the new disciplinary laws of the Vatican II sect.

Metamorphosis alone destroys Evolution

As many of you know, the preposterous and monstrous “theory” of Evolution is taught as fact in all public schools.  This one picture of metamorphosis (with its accompanying explanation) alone refutes the folly of Evolution; it is truly a picture worth a million textbooks.  Scroll down to the bottom of the link to find the picture and the accompanying explanation:

Metamorphosis alone destroys Evolution

What are the fast days during Lent?

No, every day in Lent (except for Sundays) is a fast day.  See the Calendar on our mainpage for more details.

Traditional Catholic Calendar

The amazing way that God created water

Unlike most liquids, water freezes from the top down.  If it did not act in this unusual way, all life on earth would eventually die:

“Streams, rivers, lakes, and oceans freeze from the top down, because water reaches its maximum density at 39°F—seven degrees above its normal freezing point. As cold air further lowers the water’s temperature, water defies the behavior of most liquids and expands. This less dense water “floats” on top of the denser water. Eventually, it freezes into ice, which is even less dense.

“We are fortunate that water behaves in this unusual way. If water continued to contract as it became colder and froze, as most substances do, ice would sink. Bodies of water would freeze from the bottom up. Surface water would quickly freeze, then sink. During the summer, the overlying liquid water would insulate the ice and delay its melting. Each winter more ice would collect at the bottom. This would first occur at polar latitudes, but over the years would spread toward the equator as surface ice reflected more of the Sun’s rays back into space, cooling the earth. Sea life would eventually cease. Evaporation and rain would diminish, turning the land into a cold, lifeless desert.” (Walt Brown, Ph.D., In the Beginning – Compelling evidence for Creation and the Flood, p. 186, note 124.)

No visible head? - Lay Investiture crisis

Quite simply, the Church has been without a visible head hundreds of times.  The Church is without a visible head every time the Pope dies.  This situation has lasted for years.  By the way, here is an interesting quote from the Lay Investiture crisis (1075-1122).  During this crisis, the evil King of Germany, Henry IV, instituted an Antipope (who was supported by many German Bishops).  Henry also appointed his own Bishops who were also subject to the Antipope.  The result was two Bishops in most dioceses and massive confusion.

The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 8, 1910, “Investitures,” p. 86: “There was now much confusion on all sides…. Many dioceses had two occupants.  Both parties called their rivals perjurers and traitors…”

Question about Fatima article

Yes, thank you, it was pointed out near the end of the fall of the satellites section: The Whole Truth about the Consecration and Conversion of Russia and the impostor Sr. Lucy (more…)

Differing views on the Fatima article, a positive and negative (and our response)

No, the only thing that is ridiculous is your blindness.  It’s quite obvious – obvious, that is, to those who will take off the blinders and sincerely look at the facts – that Our Lady was not speaking of a religious conversion.  That is why Sr. Lucy said that the consecration of Russia means that: “The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia…”!!! (WTAF  Vol. 2, p. 465)  That is why Sr. Lucy said that the consecration of Russia will result in an “abbreviation of the tribulation,” not a conversion of the nation to the Catholic Faith.

Our Lord to Sr. Lucy, Oct. 22, 1940: “I will punish the nations for their crimes by means of war, famine and persecution of My Church and this will weigh especially upon My Vicar on earth.  His Holiness will obtain an abbreviation of these days of tribulation if he takes heed of My wishes by promulgating the Act of Consecration of the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with a special mention of Russia.” (The Whole Truth About Fatima – abbreviated: WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 732)

Was Bishop Moises Carmona-Rivera validly consecrated?

No, in context Carmona is simply saying that some people, without any foundation at all, have claimed that he was consecrated in the new rite.  He goes on to say that others, more seriously, have claimed other things.  The implication is that any claim that he was ordained in the new rite is almost a joke.  Carmona was validly consecrated in the traditional rite.  Thus, the priest ordained through his line would be valid.  But we cannot vouch for such a priest’s doctrinal views, and there is a very strong chance that the priest denies the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation or supports NFP or something else.  Thus, you almost certainly couldn’t support him financially, though perhaps you could receive the sacraments from him if he is not notorious or imposing about his false views. Also, we’ve been informed that certain CMRI priests have communicated to people that they don’t want those who don’t accept baptism of desire at their chapels.  Since those CMRI priests are imposing their false views, one should not receive the sacraments from them at all.  We don’t know if this is a universal development with CMRI priests, so one should check with the CMRI priest in their area about this.  (They don’t want people who believe in that “awful” teaching that all must be baptized to be saved, as Our Lord said, but they have no problem with the idea that Jews who reject Christ can be saved.  What abominable heretics.)

On responses to attacks on sedevacantism

A reader from UK tells his story and asks questions

Milan, that’s great to hear.  Concerning your questions: 1)  We have never seen any quotes from St. Therese stating that all men are saved, which is a horrible heresy. 2) The Church teaches that even heretics can validly baptize.  So, even a Novus Ordo priest can validly baptize if he adheres to proper matter and form.  If you have some reasonable doubt about your baptism, however, you could get a friend to perform a conditional baptism.  The conditional form of baptism is given on our website.

Catholic Baptism; The Steps to Convert to the Traditional Catholic Faith; The Steps for those leaving the New Mass; and Conditional Catholic Baptism

The stupidity of evolution

In this section of our website, from time to time we will be posting quotes or comments on topics that we feel our readers may find interesting or beneficial.  We particularly like the topic of Creationism, so here is an interesting quote about how Altruism destroys evolution:

“11. Altruism- Many animals, including humans, will endanger or even sacrifice their lives to save another – sometimes the life of another species.  Natural selection, which evolutionists say explains all individual characteristics, should rapidly eliminate altruistic ‘individuals.’  How could risky behavior that benefits only another ever be inherited, because its possession tends to prevent the altruistic ‘individual’ from passing on its genes for altruism?  If evolution were correct, selfish behavior should have completely eliminated unselfish behavior.  Furthermore, cheating and aggressiveness should have ‘weeded out’ cooperation.  Altruism contradicts evolution.” (Walt Brown, Ph.D., In the Beginning – Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood, p. 7.)

Feedback on Fatima/Russia article

Thanks, we’re glad you liked it. The best way to observe Fatima today is to have a true devotion to the Holy Rosary (pray 15 decades each day if you can), and make St. Louis De Montfort’s consecration to the Blessed Virgin as described in his book, True Devotion to Mary.  If you have not read the book Our Lady of Fatima by William Thomas Walsh, you really should.  It’s one of the best books out there, and the best on the pure message of Fatima, in our view. 

Is the article, The Whole Truth about the Consecration and Conversion of Russia, available in printed form to be ordered? Roy

Reader sounds off on Catholic Family News

Well said… It’s the same thing with “Tradition in Action”; their continuous rants on how their “Pope” contradicts this Tradition and denies that teaching and mocks this dogma (all the while still asserting that he’s not even a heretic!) have grown tiresome – no, they have grown into blasphemies against the Church and the Papacy.  Really, someone should tell them and Catholic Family News: just be quiet until you’re ready to denounce him for the non-Catholic heretic he is.  Regarding Ferrara, his arguments have already been totally refuted; there is no sense in pounding on a corpse. (I mean, his “Pope” believes in the Joint Declaration with the Lutherans on Justification and Ferrara thinks he’s a Catholic; what more does one have to say?)  Ferrara doesn’t address our arguments anyway; he sticks with fighting with his chosen opposition, Fr. Cekada, because Fr. Cekada does a pathetic job of producing heresies from Vatican II and Antipope Benedict XVI.  (The reason for this is that most of the heresies of Antipope Benedict XVI have something to do with the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation, which Cekada also rejects).

A reader comes to the defense of John Paul II

There you have it: this reader thinks that polytheism (the worship of various false gods – in other words, idolatry) is the same as Catholicism, and he is coming to the defense of John Paul II.  Well yes, if you like idolatry, then I guess you would have to consider him John Paul the Great [Idolater]. But Jesus Christ teaches through His revelation that the gods of the heathen religions are demons, and that to put His one true religion on a par with the worship of demons, as John Paul II’s entire “Pontificate” did, is about as bad a sin and a heresy as one can commit.

Psalms 95:5- “For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils…” 1 Cor. 10:20- “But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God.  And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils.” Pope St. Gregory the Great, quoted in Summo Iugiter Studio, 590-604: “The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her and asserts that all who are outside of her will not be saved.”

A foreign reader declares his positions

It’s great to hear that you have the true Catholic Faith.  We will say a prayer for you.

On “St. Benedict’s Center” Newsletter

Yes, thank you, it’s covered in the Heresy of the Week.

The St. Benedict Center’s Newsletter condemns sedevacantism as schismatic and says “No Pope? No Hope!” – oops, they just condemned themselves out of their own mouth

Dear Brother Dimond: I am writing this to express my admiration for your excellent defense of the Catholic doctrine in your weekly item "Heresy of the Week" of 2/4/06. God bless you, Jos Valkering

On Byzantine priests and the sacraments of the “Orthodox”

Thanks for the interest.  The only thing I would mention is that it’s important to understand that heretics and schismatics can have a valid Mass and Eucharist, if they observe proper matter and form and have a valid priesthood.  “Orthodox” schismatics do have a valid Mass, since they have a valid priesthood and employ valid matter and form in their liturgy.  But being outside the Church, they do not profit from the reception of sacraments, but sin when receiving them; and since they are notorious heretics, no Catholic can receive sacraments from them.

Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae, Sept. 13, 1896: “When anyone has rightly and seriously made use of the due form and the matter requisite for effecting or conferring the sacrament he is considered by that very fact to do what the Church does.  On this principle rests the doctrine that a sacrament is truly conferred by the ministry of one who is a heretic or unbaptized, provided the Catholic rite be employed.  On the other hand, if the rite be changed, with the manifest intention of introducing another rite not approved by the Church, and of rejecting what the Church does, and what by the institution of Christ belongs to the nature of the sacrament, then it is clear that not only is the necessary intention wanting to the sacrament, but that the intention is adverse to and destructive of the sacrament.”

Opining on the SSPX’s possible “reconciliation” with the Vatican II sect

After viewing the activities of Bishop Fellay of the SSPX, it is our considered opinion that, in addition to the fact that the man has no real Faith, a major force driving him into full reconciliation with the Vatican II sect is his vanity.  We believe that he wants to go down in history as the one who “ended the schism,” and we believe this is why he is really pushing for this reconciliation.  Fellay’s tenure as Superior General of the SSPX comes to an end this year, so his only chance of getting the lion’s share of the credit for “ending the schism” will most certainly be gone by the end of the year. 

That is why he seems to be pushing for this reconciliation at all costs.  In fact, Fellay even seems to be weakening on his insistence that the Traditional Mass be made available to all:

Bishop Fellay, a recent article:” we don’t want to be a catholic group aside. We don’t ask for the old mass just for us, but for all. But maybe we have to go through this transitory status.” 

Notice, he now seems to be saying that he wants the Traditional Mass available to all, but that they may “have to go through this transitory status” anyway, as if he would reconcile even without the full permission for every priest to celebrate the Traditional Mass.

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Is Solange Hertz a Catholic?

Thank you for your question.  You should baptize the baby yourself, and not have the SSPX priest do it.  Regarding Solange Hertz, last time we checked she held that no one has the authority to say that the manifestly heretical non-Catholic Antipopes of the Vatican II sect are not true Popes.  Thus, her opinion on where one may or may not attend Mass isn’t worth much.  I believe she holds, or at least accepts as Catholic, the heretical position of The Remnant; otherwise they wouldn’t carry her articles and give her awards. (more…)

A reader’s spiritual journey

Thanks for the e-mail.

MHFM material “spreading like wildfire” in Nigeria

Maybe our readers could say a prayer for this group.

What is the correct Fatima prayer “O my Jesus, pardon our sins”?

Thanks for the e-mail.  No, the version you have is not a phony version of the prayer that Our Lady asked to be said after the decades of the Rosary.  It’s basically the correct version.  Some people say the version: “O my Jesus, pardon our sins, save us from the fire of hell, have mercy on the souls in Purgatory, especially the most abandoned.”  But Sr. Lucy affirmed categorically to William Thomas Walsh that this version of the prayer is not correct; this one is correct: “O my Jesus, pardon us, save us from the fire of hell, draw [or lead] all souls to heaven, especially those in most need [or most in need].” And there is no violation of the dogma in praying for all souls to be converted, and therefore be led to heaven.  Everyone who is still alive has a chance to be saved.  And God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4), even though that won’t happen, and all who die as non-Catholics will be lost. 

A reader drops a nice note

Thanks for the words of support.

Seeking Catechesis

MHFM: K.D., thanks for the interest.  Yes, you don't want to go the RCIA program, since it is part of the new, non-Catholic Vatican II religion.  A Catholic must avoid the New Mass under pain of grave sin, since it is not a valid Mass.

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“Someone put a video on the windshield of my car” - A heretic objects

It’s all taken out of context… right… sure….That’s why you don’t even give one example of where this supposedly occurs.  You prove our point that people like you are not Catholic when you state: “Should your assertion be true that salvation is found only in the Catholic Church, you will need the prayers., because you are clearly outside it.”  You’re not even convinced that a dogma that has been defined by the Church more than seven times is true, and you’re telling me I’m not a Catholic.  Begone, you blinded heretic.  Write us again when you finally believe in the infallibly defined dogmas of the Faith, and are ready to be honest.

Hutton Gibson – heretic and phony Catholic who totally rejects the Catholic dogma on salvation 

Hutton Gibson, October, 2004 Newsletter: Objection from a reader: “…you quote Joseph Pohle, S.T.D.: ‘In like manner Mass may be celebrated privately for the souls of deceased Jews and heathens, who have led an upright life, since the sacrifice is intended to benefit all who are in purgatory.’  [the reader says:] This is pure modernism, and implies that a Jew or heathen who has led an upright life but died outside the Body of Christ on earth could be in Purgatory.’  Hutton Gibson’s response: … ‘I can appreciate that Leonard Feeney might have difficulty in reconciling Joseph Pohle’s implication with his own views.  Naturally, if no Jew or heathen can be saved, then neither can be in Purgatory.  But Pohle had never encountered Feeney’s subsequent innovation, and therefore took no cognizance of it.’”

Comment: A few years back Hutton Gibson, the “traditionalist” father of the famous Mel Gibson, wrote us and expressed his disappointment that we hadn’t quoted him in Issue #1 of our magazine.  He also stated that entire writings of his had been dedicated to our “heresy.” Hutton has denounced us several times in his newsletters.  As we inform the many people who ask us about Hutton Gibson, the unfortunate fact is that Hutton Gibson does not possess the Catholic Faith (even though he claims to be Catholic), because he obstinately rejects the dogma that all who die as non-Catholics are lost. It is a fact that Hutton Gibson believes that non-Catholics can be saved without the Catholic Faith.  He has indicated this many times in his writings.  He consistently attacks with a devilish tenacity the staunch priest Fr. Leonard Feeney, because Fr. Feeney believed and defended this dogma which Hutton hates so much.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

In his October newsletter, we see that Hutton Gibson again reveals his heretical depravity.  He is asked about Jews and heathens getting into Purgatory, and therefore being saved.  He says that Fr. Feeney might have a problem with this, but J. Pohle (a heretic who also rejected the dogma) did not encounter Feeney’s “innovation.”  In other words, according to Hutton Gibson, it is an “innovation” of Fr. Feeney that all who die as Jews and heathens cannot be saved!  This is clear-cut heresy from a wicked man who is subverted in his sins.  Hey Hutton… you liar and corrupter of the Faith… tell Pope Eugene IV and Pope Gregory XVI that this was Fr. Feeney’s innovation… you heretic.

Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio, May 27, 1832, on no salvation outside the Church: “Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life…  You know how zealously Our predecessors taught that article of faith which these dare to deny, namely the necessity of the Catholic faith and of unity for salvation… Omitting other appropriate passages which are almost numberless in the writings of the Fathers, We shall praise St. Gregory the Great who expressly testifies that THIS IS INDEED THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.  He says: ‘The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her and asserts that all who are outside of her will not be saved.’  Official acts of the Church proclaim the same dogma.  Thus, in the decree on faith which Innocent III published with the synod of Lateran IV, these things are written: ‘There is one universal Church of all the faithful outside of which no one is saved.’  Finally the same dogma is also expressly mentioned in the profession of faith proposed by the Apostolic See, not only that which all Latin churches use, but also that which… other Eastern Catholics use.  We did not mention these selected testimonies because We thought you were ignorant of that article of faith and in need of Our instruction.  Far be it from Us to have such an absurd and insulting suspicion about you.  But We are so concerned about this serious and well known dogma, which has been attacked with such remarkable audacity, that We could not restrain Our pen from reinforcing this truth with many testimonies.”

The following could take place at Hutton Gibson’s Judgment: [Jesus Christ]: You know, Hutton, that I stated again and again in the Gospel that he who does not believe in Me is condemned, and that Jews that don’t believe in Me will be condemned.  And you know that the Council of Florence defined without exception that all who die as Jews are not saved.  And yet you not only rejected this dogma and contradicted it, but you attacked those who professed it as heretics, and you dishonestly called this truth, given by Me and defined by the Council of Florence, Fr. Feeney’s innovation.  You know that this is a lie, Hutton, for which there is no excuse. [Hutton Gibson would say]: Yes, it is true, Lord… I cannot deny it because it is true.  [Jesus Christ]:  You are condemned by your own words… Begone to the outer darkness, your sentence is Hell for all eternity.

This is not what could happen, but Hutton Gibson’s damnation is what will happen if he continues on his path – and it is what will happen to all the other heretics who believe the same way.  Hutton Gibson is no different from the Protestants who cannot accept the Catholic dogma on the Eucharist or the Priesthood.  He cannot accept the Catholic dogma on salvation; it is too hard for him, just like those who left Our Lord in John Chapter 6.

And by their fruits you shall know them.  When Mel Gibson was interviewed on National Television by ABC’s Diane Sawyer, just before his film came out, he had a great opportunity to evangelize.  When asked about whether Jews and Muslims can be saved, all he had to do was read from the Bible, or point to the words of Jesus Himself [in Mk. 16:16; Jn. 14:6, etc.].  And Mel should have anticipated that ABC would ask him if he believes Jews go to heaven, so he should have been prepared simply to quote Our Lord Jesus Christ.  Instead of simply quoting Jesus or Catholic dogma, Mel vacuumed the power and the truth out of the Gospel, and told the world a new gospel, that you don’t even have to be Christian to be saved.

From Mel Gibson’s interview with Diane Sawyer on PrimeTime:

DIANE SAWYER:    (Voice Over) So when we talked with

Gibson and his actors, we wondered, does his traditionalist view bar the door to Heaven for Jews, Protestants, Muslims?

MEL GIBSON: That’s not the case at all.  Absolutely not.  It is possible for people who are not even Christian to get into the Kingdom of Heaven. It’s just easier for –and I have to say that because that’s what I believe.

DIANE SAWYER: (Off Camera) You have the nonstop ticket?

MEL GIBSON: Well, yeah, I’m saying it’s an easier ride where I am because it’s like –I have to believe that.

I remember when this occurred feeling extremely sad and disappointed, because I knew what a blow it was for the salvation of so many countless souls who were watching; souls who might have been impelled to seek further, to move closer, to investigate more deeply the traditional Catholic Faith, if Mel had simply professed its necessity and that it is the only way for them to be saved.  Perhaps millions of souls could have heard the truth for the first time in their lives – the only truth that ultimately mattered for them in their lives filled with countless hours of worthlessness and diversion from the point of life and eternity.  Mel could have told them that truth for once in their lives – a truth that may have shaken them out of their darkness – but no, he told them a lie instead.  When Mel told the world on National Television, a world that was anticipating his new film day after day all over the news, that it’s not even necessary to be Christian to be saved, it was like the story of his film went from truth to fable, from history to theatre, from power to emptiness, from fact to fiction.

Mel Gibson uttered his heresy when he was sitting next to a Jew, Mia Morgenstern.  Thus, Mel holds that Jews, Buddhists, Protestants, etc. can be saved, and even Jews who reject Christ – for he said this while sitting next to a woman who rejects Christ.  And where did Mel get this heretical belief?  From his heretical father, of course, who believes the same thing.  Thanks a lot, Hutton.  Hutton the heretic was probably sure to instill in his son Mel a detestation for “Feeneyism” – that “deplorable” error – and behold the wonderful fruits: the denial of Jesus Christ on National Television.  Hutton reared him and prepared him to answer like a good heretic, and he did.  Mel learned his lesson well to believe in baptism of desire and to hate “Feeneyism,” didn’t he?  Mel’s interview was so bad that the next day on Good Morning America a Christ-denying Jew of the American Jewish Committee called Mel’s words “fabulous.”  The Christ-denying Jew specifically made note of the fact Mel mentioned the possibility of non-Christians being saved.  (The devil and those who are his take in all of this.)

And this brings me to two other points:  1) We often hea,r from those who believe in the heresy of salvation for the “invincibly ignorant”/non-Catholics without the Faith, that their belief is no hindrance to their effort to evangelize or profess the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation without compromise.  This is nonsense!  If this were true, then Mel Gibson should have been able simply to say what the Church says: Outside the Church There is No Salvation; but he couldn’t.  Mel had to indicate that you don’t have to be Catholic to be saved because this is what he believes.

Pope St. Pius X condemned the following Modernist proposition on July 3, 1907 in “Lamentabili Sane”:

“The dogmas of faith are to be held only according to a practical sense, that is, as preceptive norms for action, but not as norms for believing.”- Condemned

The idea that we can preach that there is no salvation outside the Church, while we believe in our hearts that there is salvation outside the Church, is false and heretical.  Those who believe in salvation for the “invincibly ignorant”/non-Catholics without the Faith will fail to call the non-Catholics to conversion without qualification when it matters, if they even try to convert them at all.  They will fail to profess the necessity of the Catholic Faith precisely because they don’t believe in the necessity of the Catholic Faith.  A true Catholic, on the other hand, can call non-Catholics to conversion without compromise precisely because he believes what he professes.  And the Catholic Church believes what She professes.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

2) A “traditionalist” who also denies this dogma recently complained that those of us who adhere strictly to this truth are making such a “big deal” about this, and causing division among traditionalists.  The hypocrisy of this statement is astounding.  Think about this: if you don’t want division, then why can’t you people just be quiet – nay, shut the heck up – and repeat with the Catholic Church that all who do not die as Catholics will not be saved?  Why must you and your heretical friends insist on the contrary and all kinds of “exceptions”?  Does this benefit anyone, even if they were true?   Even if you believed that some men who are not Catholic can be saved without the Faith (which is clearly false), you know that it does no one any good to insist on this idea, so why do you go out of your way to do so?  Is this not totally evil?  Can you not see that this is evil, that it benefits only the devil, that it serves only to discourage conversions and evangelism?

Why can’t you just shut your mouths, drop your pens and repeat without exception:  Outside the Catholic Church There is No Salvation?  Are you trying to keep non-Catholics from the Catholic Faith?  You blind fools, you are enemies of God and the non-Catholics whom you falsely try to justify!  For even if you believed that some men don’t need the Catholic Faith for salvation, you can see that it does not benefit anyone to insist on this.  But you insist on this falsehood simply because those who don’t believe this truth cannot profess it when it matters, and the devil causes you to attack the truth which you have despised in your hearts.

Only those who believe in their hearts that there is utterly no salvation outside the Church (Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council) will be able to profess it and truly call non-Catholics to conversion, which is true charity.

Hutton Gibson Exchange

The following exchange concerned a reader’s false and bad willed criticism of something that was written in our above article on Hutton Gibson.

Here’s the paragraph to which he refers:

Because it's a very reasonable description of what could happen, and it has been done many times by Catholics writing on spiritual matters.  I guess you would consider The Imitation of Christ blasphemy, for it uses that description throughout the book.

[NEXT RESPONSE FROM ROB – notice that we were willing to let this go at this point, but Rob comes back with more and stronger accusations. For this reason, he had to be more specifically rebuked and refuted.]

… You are completely wrong.  It clearly speaks from the standpoint of God.  You have uttered a lie.  Moreover, Hutton Gibson (if he doesn't have a major conversion) is going to go to Hell for his heresy.  You are just a liberal and obviously of bad will.  Do you believe that he is on the road to Hell?  If not, you are a heretic, in addition to a liberal of bad will.

[NEXT RESPONSE FROM ROB]

“Cutting off e-mails…” I don’t know what you are talking about.

Rob, you are definitely on the road to Hell.  Your false criticism is a mortal sin.  You obviously do not really believe that Gibson is on the road to Hell; for if you do, then what is your problem with what's written?  For, in that case, you must admit that what is written might be said to Him.  And if it might be said to Him, then of course it's true to say that this is what God might say to Him.   Do you now see how stupid your criticism is?  Probably not because you are a liar.

To further illustrate your bad will, you admit that it's okay to speak from the standpoint of God, but not concerning what He could say at the Judgment.  Tell me, please, where does the Church teach that?  Nowhere.  Where does the Church teach that you may speak from God's standpoint in spiritual writing, but not from His standpoint at the Judgment?  Provide proof, or retract your mortally sinful accusation.

You detect righteous indignation in my e-mails because I can very clearly see your bad will and dishonesty.  I see your bad will in action. Your argument is pathetic and very dishonest.

To definitively refute your false criticism, here are three examples. Two of these examples specifically concern the Judgment.

St. Alphonsus, Prep. For Death, Abridged Version, p. 120: “‘Go, Jesus Christ will say: never shall you again behold my face.’”

These words are not recorded of Jesus in the Bible, but St. Alphonsus uses them while speaking from the standpoint of Jesus at the Judgment. This has to be blasphemy, according to your nonsensical argument. Here we see another example of St. Alphonsus speaking from the standpoint of God at someone’s judgment:

St. Alphonsus, Prep. For Death, Abridged Version, p. 39: “The unhappy wretches will have recourse to God in death, and God will say to them, ‘Now do you come to Me? Call upon your creatures to help you, since they have been your gods.’ Thus will the Lord say, because they will have recourse to Him, but without a sincere intention of being converted.”

St. Alphonsus doesn’t know for sure that the Lord will pronounce these very words to these individuals or to any individuals. This is not recorded in Scripture. However, because it could apply to them, he legitimately uses this description.

Here’s another quote from the Imitation of Christ, in which the author speaks from the standpoint of God. This doesn’t directly deal with the Judgment (though the other two quotes above do), but one can see the point.

Imitation of Christ, Book III, Chap. 9: “But he that would glory in anything besides me, or delight in any good as his own (not referred to Me), shall not be established in true joy, nor enlarged in his heart, but in many kinds shall meet with perplexities and anguish.”

These words are attributed to Jesus in the Imitation of Christ in order to deliver a spiritual message. In fact, these three quotes (and there are others) directly say that this is what the Lord says or will say. Our quote below doesn’t even do that. It says: “the following could take place” – not “will,” as St. Alphonsus says.

Thus, it’s quite dishonest for you to wrongly say that my statement is blasphemous, but that St. Alphonsus’ statement (which goes further) is acceptable. Do you now see that you are wrong? It’s certain that Gibson will be damned if he continues on the present path. The following paragraph (which is found in the aforementioned article) is a very reasonable description of what might be said:

As the above facts prove, your criticism is totally wrong. My indignation is focused at your bad will and your petty and false accusations. We shouldn’t even have to deal with this kind of nonsense, but because the level of bad will and pride is so great, people like you throw out this kind of nonsense.

A reader on the SSPX’s views and leaders

Thank you for your comments and question, with which I basically agree.  In one sense there is a difference between the position of the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, etc. and the teaching of John Paul II/Benedict XVI on salvation.  But in another sense there is no difference.  The difference is that the heresy of John Paul II/Benedict XVI (that we shouldn’t even convert non-Catholics and/or that all men are saved) is worse than the heresy of the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI.  The SSPX, SSPV, CMRI believe that one should be a Catholic and that it is the safer course to be a Catholic, even though they hold that one could still be saved if he dies as a non-Catholic.  In other words, they don’t hold that it’s truly necessary to be Catholic, but they hold that it’s the better thing to do if you want to maximize your chances (e.g., sort of like getting side-impact air bags in your automobile). (more…)