Response To Heretic Who Brings Up Baptized Infants In Attempt To Defend Vatican II's Heresy

You reject the Church’s teaching. There are many errors in your comments, and they are easily refuted. You seriously misrepresent the Church’s teaching and our position (which are the same). Since you resist the Church’s true teaching, you lack faith and understanding. Note that you did not identify even one error in our video. That’s because you are unable to do so. However, you committed a number of mistakes. First, you say that we “never” mention the distinction between material and formal heresy. That’s completely false. We’ve discussed it in detail many times. Here’s a page on it: https://vaticancatholic.com/material-heresy/ What you fail to understand is that people who “dissent” are, by definition, formal heretics.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: “So, with every reason for doubting removed, can it be lawful for anyone to reject any of those truths without thereby sending himself headlong into open heresy? without thereby separating himself from the Church and in one sweeping act repudiating the entirety of Christian doctrine?... he who dissents in even one point from divinely received truths has most truly cast off the faith completely, since he refuses to revere God as the supreme truth and proper motive of faith.”

That’s why we emphasized the issue of “dissent” in proving that Vatican II was heretical. Vatican II taught that people who “dissent” can be in the Church of Christ, justified, saved, etc. There’s no way to reconcile that with Catholic teaching. Our argument was focused on what Vatican II says about those who “dissent” specifically to eliminate the false objection you are now making with regard to “material heresy”. But since you lack understanding, you failed to recognize the significance of the point. This reminds us of the words of Pope Leo XIII about how people who are outside the Church (such as yourself) cannot comprehend the Church’s teaching.

Pope Leo XIII (1896): “Christ’s teaching from the ship signifies that those who are outside the Church can never grasp the divine teaching; for the ship typifies the Church where the word of life is deposited and preached. Those who are outside are like sterile and worthless sand: they cannot comprehend.” (Satis Cognitum #9)

Second, you write: “Well if babies or adolescents that are baptised into false sects can become members of the Church without professing the true faith, then so can adults.” This statement of yours contains additional errors. Properly speaking, no baby is baptized into a false sect. They are all baptized into the Catholic Church. They are all made VISIBLE members of the Catholic Church, and they profess the true faith by means of the baptismal character.

Catechism of the Council of Trent, On Baptism: “In the character impressed by Baptism, both effects are exemplified. By it we are qualified to receive the other Sacraments, and the Christian is distinguished from those who do not profess the faith.”

Contrary to what you think, the Church’s unity is not defined by buildings. Rather, it’s defined by the union of sacraments, Church government (the first component of which is having received baptism), and profession of the true faith (which a baby fulfills by the baptismal character). Note that the baptismal character suffices for the profession of the true faith in an infant, but an adult who dissents from Catholic dogma does not profess the true but a false faith by embracing heresy. Thus, a baby baptized by non-Catholics in a non-Catholic building – who has never had any contact with other Catholics – has all the essential components to be a VISIBLE, FORMAL member of the Catholic Church. So, no, babies baptized by heretics in non-Catholic buildings are not proof that people can be in the Church of Christ without professing the true faith or that the Church is “invisible”. You simply don’t understand how the Church’s unity, government and visibility are defined. That’s a result of your resistance to the truth and the fact that you don’t have the true faith. In fact, in this video/article we specifically refute the idea that the Church is defined by buildings (an error that you have, at least in part, adopted): On Manifest Heresy – New Evidence From Pope Martin V We don’t hold that someone must set foot in a Catholic building to be in the Catholic Church or be saved. We don’t hold that position at all, but actually come out against it. This is more proof that you don’t understand our position or the key issues.

Third, you attack a straw man by saying: “God isn't going to hold a theology quiz and prevent people from entering heaven who lack an in-depth understanding of advanced theological concepts.” We agree. It’s possible for many people to be saved without a positive knowledge of deeper dogmas of the faith. But, in addition to receiving baptism, there are essential truths every adult must know. We’ve emphasized this many times. The fact that people can be saved without a knowledge of DEEPER DOGMAS doesn’t justify Vatican II’s heretical teaching that people who DISSENT from the Papacy or other Catholic dogmas can be justified and saved. It’s not difficult to understand the difference. Further, if you accept Vatican II, you deny even the essential requirements for salvation, such as faith in Jesus Christ. Moreover, the Papacy is the principle of unity in the Catholic Church. People who reject the principle of unity in the Church cannot be in the Church. So, as we’ve shown, there’s no merit to your criticisms. They are all rooted in your bad-willed resistance to the full truth and your failure to understand our position and the Church’s teaching. You should stop rebelling against the dogmas of the Church and embrace the true Catholic faith. Otherwise you won’t be saved.