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May 2005

What about Fr. Ronald Ringrose?


May 27, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

e were informed by a lady who attended that church that Fr. Ringrose gave a series of talks on baptism of desire, basically denouncing Feeneyism and anyone who holds it.  The fact that you saw pamphlets on baptism of desire corroborates that he has a major desire to promote it, and that he is clearly against those who don't accept it.  We don't believe anyone should attend his church since he has publicly denounced “Feeneyism” from the pulpit, but one could certainly call him up and ask him his position on the matter.

What does MHFM believe on salvation and baptism issue?


May 22, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

You have correctly ascertained that we don’t agree with the Conciliar Church (the Vatican II/Novus Ordo sect).  The Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church, but a non-Catholic sect which rejects the Catholic Faith and Jesus Christ by endorsing heretical sects, schismatic sects, as well as idolatrous and pagan religions.  Regarding what we believe on the salvation issue, you are also correct that we don’t believe with the SSPX, SSPV and CMRI that it is not necessary to have the Catholic Faith for salvation.  We don’t believe, as they do, that certain Buddhists, Jews, Muslims or Hindus can be united to the Catholic Church.  We believe, profess and preach that all who die as non-Catholics will not be saved, as the Holy Roman Church believes, professes and preaches.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
We believe the above dogma rather than the fallible – and heretical – Baltimore Catechism which represented the seeds of the Great Apostasy with its teaching that there is salvation outside the Church.
The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism, No. 2, Q. 321- “However, only baptism of water actually makes a person a member of the Church.  It (baptism of blood/desire) might be compared to a ladder up which one climbs into the Bark of Peter, as the Church is often called.  Baptism of blood or desire makes a person a member of the Church in desire.  These are the two lifelines trailing from the sides of the Church to save those who are outside the Church through no fault of their own.
Here we see this edition of the Baltimore Catechism teaching that: 1) Baptism of desire doesn’t make one a member of the Church; 2) Baptism of desire does make one a member of the Church in desire; 3) there is salvation outside the Church by baptism of desire and blood. The first two statements contradict each other, while the third is direct heresy against the dogma that Outside the Church no one at all is saved (Pope Innocent III, de fide).  Thus, this edition of the Baltimore Catechism’s explanation of “baptism of desire” is not only fallible, but directly heretical.
Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”
No, we don’t believe, but absolutely reject, the pre-Vatican II heresy that certain people can be saved outside the Church and without the Catholic Faith.  This heresy was taught by many priests and Bishops before Vatican II in fallible texts with imprimaturs, which laid the heretical foundation for the Great Apostasy.  For instance:
The Catechism Explained, Rev. Spirago and Rev. Clark, 1898: “If, however, a man, through no fault of his own, remains outside the Church, he may be saved if he lead a God-fearing life; for such a one is to all intents and purposes a member of the Catholic Church.” Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, by Ludwig Ott, Imprimatur 1954, p. 310: “The necessity for belonging to the Church is not merely a necessity of precept, but also of means, as the comparison with the Ark, the means of salvation from the biblical flood, plainly shows… In special circumstances, namely, in the case of invincible ignorance or of incapability, actual membership of the Church can be replaced by the desire for the same… In this manner also those who are in point of fact outside the Catholic Church can achieve salvation.”
Both of these statements are boldly heretical – they word-for-word contradict a solemnly defined dogma – and they reduce the solemnly defined dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation to a meaningless formula.
Pope Pius XII, Humani Generis (#27), 1950: “Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the sources of revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same.  Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation.”
No, we hold what the Church has dogmatically declared: that all who die without the Catholic Faith will be lost. 
Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832:  “With the admonition of the apostle, that ‘there is one God, one faith, one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5), may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever.  They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk. 11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him.  Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate (Athanasian Creed).” Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio (# 2), May 27, 1832: “Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.”
Regarding the baptism issue, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach that there are “three baptisms.”  It dogmatically teaches that there is only ONE BAPTISM OF WATER.  And WE BELIEVE, AS THE COUNCIL OF VIENNE DOGMATICALLY DEFINES, THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE BAPTISM OF WATER, not three.  The Catholic Church also teaches that unless a person receives this sacrament and is born again of water and the Spirit he cannot be saved.
Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, 1311-1312, ex cathedra:  “Besides, one baptism which regenerates all who are baptized in Christ must be faithfully confessed by all just as ‘one God and one faith’ [Eph. 4:5], which celebrated in waterin the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we believe to be commonly the perfect remedy for salvation for adults as for children.” Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Sess. 7, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the Sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.” Pope Eugene IV, The Council of Florence, “Exultate Deo,” Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:  “Holy baptism, which is the gateway to the spiritual life, holds the first place among all the sacraments; through it we are made members of Christ and of the body of the Church.  And since death entered the universe through the first man, ‘unless we are born again of water and the Spirit, we cannot,’ as the Truth says, ‘enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5].  The matter of this sacrament is real and natural water.”
Even the Baltimore Catechism affirms this truth, even though it doesn’t remain consistent with it throughout its teaching
The New St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism, No. 2, Q. 320- “Why is Baptism necessary for the salvation of all men?  A.  Baptism is necessary for the salvation of all men because Christ has said: ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’”
The idea that any man can be saved without the Sacrament of Baptism is false and contradicts Catholic teaching.  But the gross heresy that baptism of desire not only can save unbaptized catechumens who assent to Catholic teaching (an error held by certain saints), but persons who don’t even desire baptism or believe in Jesus Christ (frequently referred to as the “implicit baptism of desire”), was the root cause of the Great Apostasy.  The fact that this heresy on salvation for non-Catholics who don’t even desire baptism or believe in Christ was taught in many pre-Vatican II imprimatured texts, and therefore “to generations of Catholics” since approximately 1900, is exactly why Vatican II occurred and the present man who claims to be “Pope” is able to travel to a Synagogue and be accepted by most professing to be “Catholic.”  Those who cannot see that the root cause of the present apostasy from the Catholic Faith is the teaching that it’s possible for people who are not in fact Catholic to be saved are missing the point.  All of these issues are covered in detail in the book: Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation

What is the Modernist definition of baptism of desire?


May 17, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

The modernists believe that baptism of desire saves people who belong to false religions and have never heard of Christ and don't desire baptism.  It is a sick joke that they actually call this abominable view "baptism of desire," since those Doctors of the Church who did believe in baptism of desire (i.e., for catechumens) would condemn their perverse heresy.  So, in short, baptism of desire today = salvation for non-Catholics without the Catholic Faith.  It is an abominable heresy. The whole history of the error of baptism of desire (and there is no such thing, even for catechumens) is discussed in depth in our book, Outside the Catholic Church There is Absolutely No Salvation, especially section 14.

Fascinating story from a reader about his experience at the Novus Ordo


May 15, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

Was the shooting of JP2 staged?; question about Sister Lucia?


May 13, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

No, there is no evidence that it was staged. We believe that it was the fulfillment of Apocalypse 13:4, where one head of the beast – each head is an Emperor over the seven-hilled city (Apoc. 17:9) – is wounded. It is interesting that the man who shot JP2, Ali Agca, publicly claimed to be Jesus Christ in Court after the event. This is interesting because if the entire assassination attempt was orchestrated by Satan on May 13, 1981 to build up JP2 (which it was), it makes sense that the man whom Satan used to pull it off, Ali Agca, was possessed with John Paul II’s Antichrist doctrine that every man is Jesus Christ. Regarding your question about Sister Lucia, it’s not clear when they moved the phony one in, but it was probably some time around 1960. But there is no statement from the real one ever questioning the validity of John XXIII.

Exchange with a woman who is having a problem with the idea of sedevacantism


May 3, 2005

Good afternoon,

I just went to your Web site today and noticed a new article warning about heretical priests.  I noticed that Fr. Ringrose was on the list when I read the article.

This was a surprise to me, because I have been to St. Athanasius (in Vienna, Virginia) since 2002 and not once have heard him even mention anything about "Feeneyism" in any of his sermons; however, I have seen pamphlets in near the front door which come from SSPX magazines which actually promote "baptism of desire".  And the bookstore also sells SSPX material.

I never saw anything notorious in this regard, but I have heard on only two occasions where he talks about the heresies of Vatican II, yet does not go forward with the correct conclusion (i.e. the last four claiming to be popes from John XXIII onward are actually antipopes).  As with "Feeneyism", I did not see this heresy imposed on anyone from the times I've been there.  However, I have stopped going to Mass at that chapel for some time while I'm still trying to sort this all out.  I have not talked to him about either issue, and planned to do so once I got my information together to present to him.  I want to make sure my information is 100% correct before doing anything like this…Thanks for the information.  Take care, and have a blessed afternoon.

MHFM

[While this woman was harping on her understanding of fidelity to the Chair of Peter, I sensed from what she was saying that she rejected Vatican II and many of the official teachings of her “Popes”. So, to illustrate her inconsistency, I asked her the following question]:

Do you accept: Vatican II; that non-Catholics can receive Communion; and that Muslims and Catholics worship the same God? -Bro. Peter Dimond
MF:
Dear Bro Dimond: I don't accept the DOCUMENTS of Vatican II as being anything but a nice try by the devil to force an unholy course on the Church. For those who took the option and ran with it, it seems to me that God is allowing Vatican II to still do His Will by revealing hearts. But since nothing was doctrinal, the documents are meaningless, even though it has all had a devastating effect. I believe Vatican II was a true Council that went sour because it was hijacked by rebels. But God can and still will use it for good. Battle lines were drawn. Nuns who ripped off their habits and turned their convents into ashrams took one side and others are trying to stay firm on the other. It reminds me so much of what protestants do with the Bible misinterpret it and then bash everyone else over the head. But that doesn't mean the Bible isn't the Word of God. Those who seek His Truth with sincerity will have it. But the documents of Vatican II are not any that we have to concern ourselves with in the least, since they weren't doctrinal. Just a lot of work the enemies did to try to get a firmer foothold. It worked, but it won't hold. Non-Catholics receive Communion? No way! And why would they want to if everything is only about the Holy Spirit and me personally, and not the objective physical presence of Jesus? What freaks who would do that. Muslims worship a demonic being. Not a Triune God? How much trouble did Jesus go to to try to teach us that reality? So whoever they worship is not the same God. I've read the Koran. It is vile, nasty filth. And I've read about Mohammad. An exorcist might be able to confirm that he was probably possessed. I mean that in all seriousness. MF
MHFM: Your response was similar to what I expected. You cannot have it both ways. If you accept these Antipopes as true Popes you must accept their authoritative teaching. Otherwise, you reject Papal Infallibility. Vatican II was solemnly and infallibly promulgated by Paul VI if he was a true Pope. If Paul VI was a true Pope, it is a true ecumenical council to whose teaching you are bound. This has been proven in the following article and by the quotes below. Paul VI solemnly declared that Vatican II was to be "religiously observed" by all the faithful.

Was Vatican II infallible?

EACH ONE OF THE 16 DOCUMENTS OF VATICAN II ENDS WITH THESE WORDS SHOWING PAUL VI’S SOLEMN APPROVAL: “EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE THINGS SET FORTH IN THIS DECREE HAS WON THE CONSENT OF THE FATHERS. WE, TOO, BY THE APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY CONFERRED ON US BY CHRIST, JOIN WITH THE VENERABLE FATHERS IN APPROVING, DECREEING, AND ESTABLISHING THESE THINGS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WE DIRECT THAT WHAT HAS THUS BEEN ENACTED IN SYNOD BE PUBLISHED TO GOD’S GLORY... I, PAUL, BISHOP OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.” Antipope Paul VI again declares that Vatican II is to be Religiously Observed
Antipope Paul VI, “Papal” Brief declaring Vatican II Council closed, Dec. 8, 1965: “At last all which regards the holy Ecumenical Council has, with the help of God, been accomplished and ALL THE CONSTITUTIONS, DECREES, DECLARATIONS, AND VOTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE DELIBERATION OF THE SYNOD AND PROMULGATED BY US. Therefore, we decided to close for all intents and purposes, WITH OUR APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY, this same Ecumenical Council called by our predecessor, Pope John XXIII, which opened October 11, 1962, and which was continued by us after his death. WE DECIDE MOREOVER THAT ALL THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SYNODALLY IS TO BE RELIGIOUSLY OBSERVED BY ALL THE FAITHFUL, for the glory of God and the dignity of the Church… WE HAVE APPROVED AND ESTABLISHED THESE THINGS, DECREEING THAT THE PRESENT LETTERS ARE AND REMAIN STABLE AND VALID, AND ARE TO HAVE LEGAL EFFECTIVENESS, so that they be disseminated and obtain full and complete effect, and so that they may be fully convalidated by those whom they concern or may concern now and in the future; and so that, as it be judged and described, ALL EFFORTS CONTRARY TO THESE THINGS BY WHOEVER OR WHATEVER AUTHORITY, KNOWINGLY OR IN IGNORANCE, BE INVALID AND WORTHLESS FROM NOW ON. Given at Rome, at St. Peter’s, under the [seal of the] ring of the fisherman, December 8… the year 1965, the third year of our Pontificate.”
But you reject Vatican II. Thus, you reject the authoritative teaching of your "Pope." You are proving our point that they are not true Popes. You are a sedevacantist without admitting it. But if you obstinately hold that they are true Popes – in the face of all the evidence – while you reject the teaching to which they bind you, you then reject the dogma of Papal Infallibility. You also mentioned that you absolutely reject the idea that non-Catholics can lawfully receive Communion and that Muslims and Catholics together worship the same God. But the Vatican II "Popes" have authoritatively taught that non-Catholics can receive Communion and that Muslims and Catholics together worship God. This was solemnly taught in Vatican II, the New Catechism promulgated by the “apostolic authority” of John Paul II, and in many encyclicals of the Vatican II Antipopes. There is no doubt that if the Vatican II “Popes” are true Popes the Catholic Church teaches that non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion. But this is impossible, since the Church has taught the opposite for 2000 years – and this is a matter inextricably bound up with Faith. Here is a table which illustrates what I’m talking about:
Non-Catholics may lawfully receive Holy Communion Christ united Himself with each man in the Incarnation Muslims and Catholics together worship the One True God
Encyclical Antipope John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (# 46), May 25, 1995: “… Catholic ministers are able, in certain particular cases, to administer the Sacraments of the Eucharist, Penance and Anointing of the Sick to Christians who are not in full communion with the Catholic Church...” Antipope John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis (# 13), March 4, 1979: “… by his Incarnation, he, the Son of God, in a certain way united himself with each man.” Antipope John Paul II, Sollicitudo Rei Socialis (# 47): “…Muslims who, like us, believe in the just and merciful God.”
Authoritative Catechism Antipope John Paul II, Catechism of the Catholic Church (# 1401): “… Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church…” Antipope John Paul II, Catechism of the Catholic Church (# 521): “By his Incarnation, he, the Son of God, has in a certain way united himself with each man.” Antipope John Paul II, Catechism of the Catholic Church (# 841): “… Muslimstogether with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” Antipope John Paul II, Fidei Depositum, Oct. 11, 1992: “The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved June 25th last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of Catholic doctrineI declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith.”
Vatican II Document Antipope Paul VI, Vatican II document Orientalium Ecclesiarum # 27: “… the sacraments of Penance, Holy Eucharist, and the anointing of sick may be conferred on eastern Christians who in good faith are separated from the Catholic Church...” Antipope Paul VI, Vatican II document Gaudium et Spes # 22: “For by His incarnation the Son of God united Himself in some way with every human being.” Antipope Paul VI, Vatican II document Lumen Gentium # 16: “… Muslims… profess to hold the faith of Abraham and along with us they worship the one merciful God who will judge mankind on the last day.” Antipope Paul VI, at the end of every Vatican II document: “EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE THINGS SET FORTH IN THIS DECREE HAS WON THE CONSENT OF THE FATHERS. WE, TOO, BY THE APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY CONFERRED ON US BY CHRIST, JOIN WITH THE VENERABLE FATHERS IN APPROVING, DECREEING, AND ESTABLISHING THESE THINGS IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WE DIRECT THAT WHAT HAS THUS BEEN ENACTED IN SYNOD BE PUBLISHED TO GOD’S GLORY... I, PAUL, BISHOP OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.”
If a Pope teaches something in encyclicals plus a Catechism plus many speeches plus a General Council solemnly promulgated by his predecessor then there is absolutely no doubt that such a teaching constitutes a teaching of the Catholic Magisterium. Hence, if the Vatican II “Popes” are true Popes, then Muslims and Catholics have the same God and non-Catholics can lawfully receive Communion. But you reject this completely. You thus prove our point that the Vatican II Antipopes cannot be true occupants of the Chair of St. Peter, since every Catholic is forced to depart from and reject their official teachings. The teaching of the Chair of Peter (e.g., the teaching of Paul IV) requires us to reject as invalid a heretic who is allegedly elected. So, don’t tell me that he is the Pope while you reject his official teachings and the entire Faith of all the Bishops under him. You are simply proving the point that they are not true Popes.

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