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The Heresies of Fr. Wathen – Part 2
By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B.
Incredibly, Fr. Wathen again defends “Once a Catholic always a Catholic” in a response to our article!
Comment: Shortly after we posted the article detailing Fr. James Wathen’s heretical and schimatical views, especially his false and condemned idea that “Once a Catholic always a Catholic,” Fr. Wathen sent out an e-mail to some people attempting to respond. In the e-mail he declares that we are evil and “wolves in monk’s [sic] habits.” The first part of his e-mail contains various false statements and personal attacks against us, which is a typical ploy of dishonest and bad willed heretics. (Ironically, in his book Who Shall Ascend?, Fr. Wathen excoriates the modernists for dishonestly attempting to attack what they deem to be the status or person of “traditionalists,” while failing to address their arguments. Like a true hypocrite, he does the same thing with various false statements and lies.) As for the substance of his attempted response to my article, it is quite lacking and shows his profound bad will and obstinacy in his heretical position “Once a Catholic always a Catholic.” I will quote some of the paragraphs of his e-mail response, which was sent to various persons, and I will interject my comments where appropriate. My comment: Fr. Wathen’s statement here reveals at least part of the reason why he has fallen into such a depraved doctrinal situation and why he is of such bad will at this time. Having heard literally hundreds of Fr. Wathen’s sermons on audio tape, I can say that one clearly notices an inordinate emphasis on the political aspect of the Conspiracy over the doctrinal and religious aspect in explaining what has happened. He has become too focused on the New World Order, political conspiracies, etc. and it has drawn him away from the true Faith and seeing the situation clearly from the teaching of the Catholic Church. Politics and secular conspirators are neither bigger nor more significant than the Catholic Church, and the condition of the Catholic Church (founded by Christ) does not lie at the whim of the Great Conspiracy, the World Revolution. Fr. Wathen, having become a heretical priest whose focus is too secular, has failed to realize that one can explain and discover the truth about what has happened solely from the teaching of the Catholic Church without any reference or information on a political conspiracy. Fr. Wathen’s statement also reveals his position that the Catholic Church has become the agent of the World Conspiracy, which is an impossibility because the Church is indefectible and cannot be the agent of Satan. My comment: There are various blatant errors in this response, and a few comments need to be made. First, it is astounding to us that a man who professes adherence to the Traditional Catholic Faith can see all of the authoritative doctrinal statements that we cited proving that all heretics are outside the Catholic Church [and are therefore not Catholic] and still defend the opposite position. Ladies and Gentlemen, if some of you have trouble believing that “traditional” priests such as Fr. Wathen are actually insincere and truly of bad will, behold this activity of Fr. Wathen! He has repeatedly been shown and read the following statements DIRECTLY DISPROVING HIS POSITION that heretics remain part of the Catholic Church and yet he still defends it! It is incredible; it is abominable; it is disgusting; and it is despicable. Fr. Wathen, you are a complete, totally obstinate and bad willed heretic on the road to damnation. You make a complete fool out of yourself and mislead others because of your obstinate and stubborn refusal to see the truth. WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? Here we can see that all Catholics are bound under pain of mortal sin to believe that a heretic is outside the Catholic Church. Fr. Wathen, you reject this dogma and are anathematized. You are not a Catholic, no more than John Kerry. WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? Second, the point which Fr. Wathen constantly brings up in an attempt to defend his heretical and false position is the dogma that the Character of Baptism is indelible. This is true, of course, but it has nothing to do with the issue. The three sacraments, Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders, confer an indelible mark or character on the soul, which is why these sacraments cannot be repeated. The mark of Baptism, just like the mark of Confirmation and Holy Orders, will remain on a person’s soul forever, even if he is damned in Hell. But the fact that the mark of baptism is indelible does not mean that all the baptized are always Catholic. Fr. Wathen’s argument is a classic flaw in logic, besides being directly contrary to the teaching of the Church. The Catholic Church teaches that those baptized Catholics (who have received the indelible mark of the Sacrament) cease to be Catholic and part of the Church when they lose the Faith by an obstinate rejection of it, as we saw above. If they have denied the Faith they are not Catholics, even though they possess the mark of Baptism, because they have lost the Faith which one must have to be part of the Church. It is really so simple and clear that once a person has it pointed out to him, he should immediately agree. The fact that this has to be repeatedly stressed in response to Fr. Wathen just demonstrates his profound bad will and spiritual depravity. The fact of the matter is that Fr. Wathen denies that the Catholic Church is one in Faith (as in one, holy Catholic and apostolic). He refuses to see that only those who possess the true Faith remain part of the Church. He doesn’t believe in a Church in the Catholic sense. In fact, at this point, Fr. Wathen does not, in his wildest imagination, believe in one of the essential marks of the Church: the unity of Faith in the Catholic Church. His heresy that once a Catholic always a Catholic would mean that a Catholic man who apostatized and became a Jewish Rabbi is still part of the Catholic Church. WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? It is called the unity of Faith in the Catholic Church, which you spurn and mock by your obstinacy. WHAT PART OF THIS DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, MR. WATHEN? Besides all of these dogmatic statements, Fr. Wathen of course rejects the unanimous teaching of the Saints and Doctors of the Church, that heretics are not Catholics. Third, notice Fr. Wathen’s other major error. He states: “…they can never become "ex-Catholics," so that they would lose the Indelible Mark of Baptism, and their status of adoptive children.” Notice that Fr. Wathen has equated the Indelible Mark of Baptism with the status of adopted children of God. This is totally wrong. The phrase “adopted son or child of God” (John 1:12) does not refer to the mark of Baptism – which mark, however, is absolutely necessary in becoming an adopted child of God – it refers to the state of Justification (the state of grace), as taught in Sess. 6, Chap. 4 of Trent! Fr. Wathen demonstrates that he doesn’t know what he is talking about in the least, while he claims that we don’t know what we are talking about. By stating that one can never lose the status of an adopted child of God, he is actually stating that one can never lose the state of grace! But since Fr. Wathen obviously doesn’t know what the term “adoption of the sons” means in Catholic theology, he fails to realize the full implications of his heresy. The worst part of all this is not that Fr. Wathen was and is wrong about this, but that he maintains his heretical error with obstinacy and pride in the face of the correction given to him from the teaching of the Catholic Church. His pride is astonishing, and deadly, for many simply have trusted – and still do trust – Fr. Wathen’s opinion on these matters because he comes across as if he knows what he is talking about, when the fact of the matter is that he most certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about. My comment: Yes, Fr. Wathen, it is a sin to obstinately – that is, after comprehending the evidence and seeing why you should not– pray for a heretic in the Canon of the Mass, as the following Papal quotes show. And it is heresy to say that once a Catholic, always a Catholic, as we have shown already. My comment: Fr. Wathen judges and rejects the solemn “Canonizations” of his Pope, which is heretical and schismatical. He also judges that the “Church” of his “Pope” (what he mockingly calls the “Conciliar Church”) is a non-Catholic sect inside of which there is no salvation. This is also schismatical, and makes him an obstinate schismatic, because he refuses communion with the members of the Church subject to his “Pope.” Please tell me how Fr. Wathen – as well as many other false traditionalists who obstinately maintain a similar position with regard to the Conciliar Church, such as the SSPX – doesn’t fit the latter part of this definition, especially in light of the following quotation? He couldn’t fit the second part of the definition for schism more clearly. My comment: Here we see Fr. Wathen using the same tactic that I discussed in the “E-Mail Discussions article” about another false traditionalist. I quote what I wrote: “Here we see the most common escape attempt of the defenders of Antipope John Paul II. We’ve seen this tactic employed time and time again. When you pin them down that those who reject defined dogma cannot be considered Catholics (as they admit with John Kerry), they quickly switch the topic and begin arguing about infallibility and whether the heretic has imposed his heresy infallibly as a de fide teaching. Remember this tactic, because it is used all the time. When they are pinned down on the heresy issue, they then conflate [fuse together] the heresy issue and the infallibility issue. No longer does one have to be a heretic, but he must be a heretic “infallibly”! Although we don’t need to show that John Paul II has bound his heresies upon Fr. Wathen to prove the point, the fact is that he and Paul VI have bound many of their heresies, as we’ve proven in other articles on Vatican II, etc. If you accept John Paul II as the Pope, you must accept the teachings that non-Catholics can receive Communion; that Muslims worship the one true God with Catholics, etc., as we have proven elsewhere. My comment: Sorry, but a real Pope cannot teach manifest heresies in a Council approved by his “apostolic authority” and in his official Catechism solemnly promulgated by his “apostolic authority.” A real Pope cannot err when solemnly Canonizing Saints, and he cannot be an apostate non-Catholic. My comment: No, Mr. Wathen, you are the one who is evil. You have become an obstinate heretic and schismatic, who blasphemes the Church of Christ, the infallibility of the Papacy and, most of all, the unity of the Faith in the Catholic Church.Sign up for our free e-mail list to see future vaticancatholic.com videos and articles.
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